Talk:Cien Grantz/@comment-36661676-20190110032617/@comment-37.122.182.136-20191226125755

I agree. Cien is stronger than VL Ichigo and if we are talking about Full powerd VL Ichigo than he is equall or a bit stronger than him but if Cien was complete and there were no sead backs, i am shure he is stronger 2 times